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Message: [QUOTE="Bob53, post: 77910, member: 17957"] Yes i installed one but the other failed and could not get it the second update to retry. Still had same issue though. Contacted MS support yesterday and they did a fresh install to 1709 but still got same issue. Have now rolled back to 1703 as i had a saved image file from a few weeks ago. All now works well so waiting for the inevitable for the update to 1709 unless i can temporarily delay that until a fix is found. Cant believe no one else has had this issue yet. [/QUOTE]